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Ruben Daniels - NAO for specific tasks, maybe about the size of a Dunbar number, like 144 people or so. But as you can imagine, two, three hops away, that network grows to 10,000, a million people quite quickly. So then as a network, you can operate and do things in the realm of collective intelligence, collective actions that are all not intermediated by any third party. We now live in a world where our relationships, our data is all intermediated by Facebook, by Google, and so on. And here we create a network where that’s no longer the case. We have direct connections between people or between beings in this network, and they can operate from that perspective.

Andrew Alan - Hive Could you walk us through a use case so we could really understand how it might be used?

Ruben Daniels - NAO Definitely. So, since it’s such a fundamental, you know, technology, it’s like, what’s the use case of the World Wide Web, right? It’s very broad. I already mentioned the use case, obviously, of having access to your own data locally. I think that that use case is pretty clear, right? Being able to ask ChatGPT not just about world affairs and so on, but about, like, what did my mom say last year, you know, or something like that. These use cases, I think, are pretty clear. But, of course, it can go much further in like, hey, this person sent me this email. What were they feeling or something like that. There can be help and discernment if that’s necessary. However, the power of the trust network goes way beyond that. And a lot of people talk about censorship and these type of things that are all happening online. So certainly that is one part where that’s, you know, it’s resistant to inherently. However, when we think about what we can actually do together when there is no financial incentives of an intermediary, so we get the freedom to actually think of solutions that do not require money to operate, the sky is the limit. The use case that we are getting most excited about is collective truth finding, although truth is a difficult world, but at least coming to a collective understanding of the world by working together on creating these attestations on things that are true for us, like from our perspective and collectively then creating a world view that we can operate on and and that can be anything from a restaurant review to maybe you know doing science on a rare disease and many many things in between just by

Andrew Alan - Hive collectively collecting and collecting that data okay I’m still thank you and I’m also still trying to drill down to a very very specific use case that I can So we can kind of like walk through each step of it?

Victor Vorski - Coherence Maybe we can do it from me asking as Coherence app to be developer Does this is Alelo help me with this? First thing as an app developer, I need identity and login Does Alelo provide shared login that this and and I don’t want login into just my app I want that the person is logging into Planetir, Hive, Quorum 1 or whatever with the same identity

Ruben Daniels - NAO Is this something Alelo would provide? Thank you for your help in getting specific. Sometimes it’s a little bit difficult to go from that bird’s eye view to… Yes, indeed. So, you know, a key part is this idea of a self-sovereign identity, an identity that I control that is essentially a collection of

Victor Vorski - Coherence attributes that various others have… I’m sorry. I’m going to pull you back. Can, using Alelo, can a person log into my app with the same login that they have into their app, Just as they can with Google now, but better. Yes. Brilliant. Amazing. Thank you for building that. Amazing. Thank you. Okay. I’m excited. I’m getting excited. Because the whole bloody fucking logging thing, I mean, as background, right? I’ve been watching the internet since this, I mean, the worldwide web since this started. Internet is all there. And this is, it’s really frustrating to me that this shared identity login, only the big corporations have saved.

Thomas Cal And yeah, I’ve given up. I click login with Google. Is it ready to go? SSO, single sign-on. Sorry?

Victor Vorski - Coherence Single sign-on, SSO. Yeah, but like OpenID, nobody supports it. It hasn’t gone out into the world. I don’t care that the standard exists if nobody that I care about supports it.

Andrew Alan - Hive Okay, I want to get back to your app. So we’ve got a login. you’re building your app right now. Is it usable right now? Or when will you be able to use that service?

Ruben Daniels - NAO Good question.

Andrew Alan - Hive You know, we can be rough.

Ruben Daniels - NAO So the prototype phase will end late October, which will have this feature.

Andrew Alan - Hive Great.

Ruben Daniels - NAO It will have something like OAuth for self-serve identity.

Jan Mizgajski But then why would I use it if I only have Google?

Andrew Alan - Hive Because Google sucks, man. Yeah, this is not a fucking argument.

Jan Mizgajski I’m kidding. I’m being the asshole here.

Victor Vorski - Coherence So you’re true, and if it’s just login, you’re right. Let’s see if there’s more that comes with this login. Because right now with Google, you don’t get very much. You get the name, things, and you just don’t have to worry about passwords.